
Podcast episode #2 of the Barrier Breakers Podcast.
Jonathan Reitz and Gary Rohrmayer explore what it means for your church to have a conversion orientation.
Coaching Causes, Not Symptoms
One of the practices we insist on in CoachNet’s coach training is that coaches get into the habit of recording their coaching sessions so that they can objectively evaluate what they’re doing well–and where they can improve.

Listening to a recording of your own voice can be painful. No one–I mean, NO ONE–thinks their voice sounds like it does on a recording. (The reality is that our voices sound differently in our heads than they do on a recording, because we hear ourselves mostly through our own heads and not through our ears.)
But over the last 15 years, most of the real growth I’ve had as a coach has come from listening to my actual coaching sessions after the fact.
Here are 13 things I’ve learned from listening to recordings of my coaching sessions:
So, do you listen to your coaching sessions? What have you learned? I’d love to hear your thoughts in the comments!
Sometimes a book that has nothing to do with coaching or leadership will change how you view an important piece of your coaching practice. As I read a book by Skye Jethani recently, I felt my coaching practice shifting under my feet.
Skye Jethani is the editor of Leadership Journal, a podcaster (as a part of the Phil Vischer Podcast), author and speaker. He’s one of theose guys that runs in Christian leadership circles, but doesn’t make headlines for any of the excesses we’ve seen too much of over the last few years.
In 2011, Skye Jethani put out a book with the simple title of With.
Without revealing everything that’s in this book (which you should read, by the way…click on the cover image and you’ll be taken to the book’s page on Amazon–Affiliate link), Jethani begins by descrbing four common sets of expecations Christians have for God, and then suggests a better way. I see a lot of coaching relationships along this same vein.
In With, Jethani describes:
Pretty convicting profiles, huh? Jethani goes on to describe another way forward Life WITH God. (Get the book title now?) It’s really good, and I recommend you checking it out.
As I read With, I couldn’t help seeing my coaching relationships through a similar lens. Now, let’s just eliminate any confusion: I’m not suggesting coaches are Gods or that a coaching relationship has any saving power.
I will plant the seed that the very lessons Skye Jethani is calling us to understand for our relationship to our creator can apply to how we interact with our clients.
How many of these relationships seem familiar to you? Read the following scenarios, and check out the suggested coaching strategies.
And just like in the With book, there is another way forward as well: Results With The Coach.
In this relationship, coach and client work powerfully together. The conversation engages both people at a deep level.
The client turns to the coach as a trusted resource…even outside of scheduled coaching conversations.
The coach is confident in their own skills and the foundation on which the relationship to fully let the client set the agenda and lead the conversation.
The client is fully invested in coaching, to the point of coming to each session 100% prepared and ready to work.
The coach is also prepared and defaults to listening at all times. When the time is right, a specific question with context gets asked.
The client responds thoughtfully to every question and learns about themselves, their situation and the actions.
When done well, coaching is powerful and empowering for the client. This is what *Results With The Coach means. The client gains confidence AND accomplishes their goals.
What strategies do you use to assess when your client has moved into from, over, for or under your coaching? How do you get back to WITH? I’d love to hear your comments!
In a recent training, I had one of those moments where you could almost see the lightbulb turn on over the other person’s head.
The group had been working on listening skills, and the student was trying out their new skills on me. “What I think you’re saying is that one of the prime jobs of a coach is to encourage the person you’re coaching.”

Yep. They were getting it. The lightbulb was on, but I could also see that this realization was troubling.
And then they dropped the bomb.
“But what if the coach themselves is feeling discouraged…even about their own coaching? What do I do then?”
Mirroring a client’s comments/posture/behavior is a powerful way to build relationship or develop direct communication. That same mirroring–intentional or not–can also share less-than-positive outcomes/mindsets between coach and client.
A coach’s behavior/posture is contagious to the client. This is all good when the coach is a positive, upbeat place, but when life gets the better of a coach, what do you do?
[Tweet “”One of the prime jobs of a coach is to encourage the person you’re coaching.” –@jonathanreitz”]Every coach bumps up against this at some point. You know the client needs an encouraging word or question, and there’s just nothing in the tank for you to offer.
Usually, a lack of self care causes this Empty Tank Syndrome, but there are strategies a coach can use to manage the disconnect between the difference in your levels of optimism or encouragement.
Here are seven things you can do to put yourself in the gap beween coach and client:
Reflect on what is causing your discouragement. Sometimes just admitting what has gotten you down takes care of it.
Talk to your coach. Coaches are encouragers, and that is one of the main things a client receives from their coach. You should be tapping into this source as well. Every coach should HAVE a coach!
Evaluate your calendar. Personally, the most common source of discouragement for me is when I have too much going on and not enough space between commitments. One of the most encouraging moments I face is when I wrap up and remove projects from my calendar/To Do list. The freedom that comes with that clean up is exhilarating!
Pray. Coaching is a calling. Getting in touch (or back in touch) with the source of that calling is like taking a drink of cold water on a hot day.
Get some continuing education. Often discouragement comes when a coach feels like their skills have fallen into a rut. Attend a training event or coach’s gathering to add new energy to your practice.
Exercise. If I’m really honest about it, this is the one I do the least of…and it’s probably the one that makes the most difference. Your mood can change dramatically with just 10–20 minutes of movement. And that is contagious.
Engage the practice of gratitude. For most Americans in general and most coaches in particular, there are many more reasons to be thankful than to focus on where we’re left wanting or missing something else. Investing in a practice of gratitude can help you focus on what you have and not what you’re missing.
So what are your thoughts? What do you do as a coach to put yourself in a position to be as helpful as possible to your clients, even when your personal outlook is less-than-inspiring? I’d love to hear your thoughts in the comments.
Every coach gets it when the coaching conversation is going well. Every question builds on the last, and your client makes more progress than you could have imagined!
But what about when it’s not going well? Do you recoginize The 7 Early Warning Signs of A Coach in Trouble?

What other signs have you seen? What advice would you give to coaches to stay on track?
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